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Very interesting post in at LiveScience.com about how we tune some things out and pay attention selectively. Over the years I have had to do a lot of studying, and became pretty adept at focusing on what I needed to read and blocking out everything else. Being married, this ability takes on a certain double-edge, though...

Neuroscience is cool. It turned me into an agnostic, though. When I was in my early twenties, I was a Roman Catholic seminarian. I planned to be a Jesuit priest, so I could get a heapin' helpin' of both science and religion, since Jesuits are often trained in something "worldly" as well as being ordained.

Anyway, one afternoon, during Christmas break, I was home from seminary and in the local public library. I picked up a copy of From Neuron to Brain and began reading. Sometime in the course of reading the book, I realized that the only reason I still believed in God was that I couldn't see how consciousness could be explained without God. I just didn't know much about the problem, having only seen it from the philosophical side in school, where it appeared intractible to me. The instant I got it into my mind that consciousness would succumb to scientific scrutiny, my faith began to erode.

Now, the fact that it was held up by only this thread suggests that it had been in trouble for a while, and indeed it had. I had long gotten over my childhood belief that the Bible was an accurate account of anything, since I could read the official version and see that it was not internally consistent. (I truly wonder about the sanity of anyone who claims that the Bible is inerrant. I don't see how, since it states plainly in many places that two opposite things are true. QED. I would like to head off anyone who would engage in argument on this point by referring them to the Skeptic's Annotated Bible. They use the KJV, but bring your own along, just in case...)

In the course of my adolesence, when my love for science really took hold, I had rejected arguments from authority, or arguments from adverse consequences ('If you don't believe in God, you'll go to Hell!' isn't a reason to believe, it's a threat not credible to someone who doesn't already believe. It is also a favorite 'argument' of preachy types.) After threats and dubious holy books, the final reason to believe is to get along with the group, I guessed, and I had also rejected that as insufficient. But I couldn't account for the 'miraculous' fact that I was meat that had thoughts.

I won't prattle about deconversion and the emotional anguish it causes. There are a lot of good social effects of religion (whoa, atheists, I'm well aware there are plenty of bad ones, too) so I subscribe to a utilitarian view of encouraging whatever good comes out, and denouncing any bad. I don't get any fun out of poking holes in people's worldview (I like Pascal Boyer's Religion Explained, a evolutionary psychology of religion that makes me think that irrationality and religion are inevitable, so I'm not going to waste time fighting anything but the excesses I see. It would be as fruitless as prohibiting sex, I think).

In the past few years, I've been reading what I can of Daniel Dennet and Patricia Churchill. I'm not clearly convinced by Dennet's Consciousness Explained, but I think it may be because people are just not wired to understand the sort of explanation of minds that science can give, or may be able to give as we learn more. It does dispense with a lot of what we intuitively believe, but the result is pretty non-intuitive. Just like we found at the bottom of physics and chemistry with quantum mechanics, a real explanation of consciousness might prove incomprehensible, yet demonstrably accurate.

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At Thursday, August 10, 2006, Blogger John said...

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Saw your reply to Francois Tremblay's Killing the Antithesis (of Christianity) from January 06 and was curious as to your background, viewing your profile and reading some of your blog. Seems a bit similar to mine, as a Catholic w/a Ph.D., but in physics instead of chemistry. I've had no seminary training however. Seems though that my faith too has been whittled down to a metaphorical toothpick by a combination of fierce scientific scrutiny of miracles & biblical history/myth and the existence of pain, suffering and deprivation of living organisms in general and conscious human beings in particular. Is life just merely a mechanism to record information, (to perhaps be played back to young folks in our old age, according to our neediness but to their infinite irritation!), then have that tape (our gray matter) merely burned in oxidific decay after our demise?

I've had similar conclusions to yours regarding the scientific scrutiny of consciousness. However, in my own thinking about it, I have garnered some insights to the problem from the tenets of physics & chemistry. Just a few follow. We are open thermodynamic systems, exchanging matter and energy with our surroundings. Therefore, what is "not me" becomes the "me" and vice-versa. So what is it that consciousness identifies with ... this "form" through which the matter is drawn? Our particular consciousness seems to be localized to our own bodies. Mr. Spock/Vulcans not withstanding, we cannot share consciousness or exchange it with another, and skeptically sans evidence of "out of body" or "near death" experiences, cannot move or transplant it elsewhere retaining its identity, i.e. it is spatially constrained.

As another consideration of mind, I thought of the question of whether mathematics as a human enterprise is discovered or created. I myself think of it as a process of identification of a possible resonance phenomenon between the patterns extant in nature with those existing in the human brain as perceptively manifested as thought/feeling patterns in the mathematical mind. Thoughts and feelings themselves are, to me, as words, indicative of models of the reality of what happens in the mind. Are they really so different? I've also thought of the inner life as a possible manifestation of the existence of one or more "extra" senses, much like those of the five external senses of sight, hearing, touch, taste and smell. The external ones give us information we utilize to "create" the "external world" through the chemical (taste/smell), pressure (touch/hearing) and photo (sight) receptors on neurons. These are viewed as "not me" perceptions by the interpretive part of the brain. However, internal organs with similar chemical (and perhaps other) receptors may also be sampling our blood and lymph for the presence/absence/ratios of hormones, enzymes, salts, drugs that our "interpretive" part of the brain calls inner experience or states of body/mind or "me." There has been some fascinating research mentioned in "Live Science" about people who associate colors with smells or see sounds, perhaps originating in unintended developmental crosswiring or overlapping function of specific parts of the brain dealing with the external senses.

For me, the question remains: What is the interpretive part of the brain? Who or what is doing the interpreting or synthesizing of the information? It seems to imply something else which is doing this apart from the raw flow of information. "It" seems to collaborate with the universe, which gave rise to it and from which it receives its information, to co-create an "external" universe from the interaction of reality with human perceptions and conceptions.

If you've read this far, I'll stop. These are just some of the many thoughts formed over many years of curiosity, training and experiencing existence as a scientist and yet as a person with at least an openess to faith, to see if they are of some interest for possible discussion. I have many more spanning over topics of psychology, philosophy, sexuality, physics, mathematics, mind, reason, faith, religion, God's existence and science in general.

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P.S. This is my first foray into the proverbial "blogosphere."

 
At Sunday, August 27, 2006, Blogger ScienceDave said...

Thanks for the reply. I have so ignored this blog that I have no idea whether or not you will read this, but it is truly interesting to find similar thoughts out there.

I started as a physics undergrad, and got seriously sidetracked. I picked up with chemistry out of a need to finish a long neglected BS, then enjoyed myself enough to keep at it. I did postdoc with physicists, though. Most of the work I did was with organic conductors, mainly crystalline single molecule stuff as opposed to conducting polymers. Charge transfer salts, especially superconductors, was what was going on when I was postdoc'n. I toyed with the idea of going into academia, but found an industrial gig where the VP over chemical research came from an academic background, so I get a lot of freedom and more remuneration than academia. My academic friends mourn the need to pursue funding non-stop so I guess that I've lucked out.

With respect to mathematics, I am heavily influenced by Dennet, most recently his "Freedom Evolves". My guess is this- that the world has some sort of regular structure, and we evolved to abstract some of it for survival reasons, and have enough 'left over' to formalize this into a remarkable edifice of knowledge. Whether it has anything to do with how the universe 'really is', well, I don't know. I wonder. But I don't know. It works really well, though.

I am an Agnosticath, I think. I just don't know what may lie underneath it all, and I am unable and unwilling to purge all of the Catholicism from my brain, except that which I think is really harmful.

IF there is something there, and by something I mean divinity, it is far stranger and more wonderful than religion usually gives it credit for being. I think that RC is the variant of Christianity that, stripped to its core, could come to terms with all that is discovered or created in science. There are plenty of barnacles to scrub off, but the conception of the divine as completely transcendent might still work just fine. The political, social beast that organized religions always become- I guess that part is just symptomatic of the primate dominance hierarchy that spontaneously forms in human groups.

The tense coexistence between the divine and the primate in humanity is evocative of theology of Incarnation, in my opinion. I don't try to banish thoughts like that when they come to me, but I am wary about taking them too seriously. I try to live up to the best parts of Christianity.

Ah, Francois Tremblay. Mr. Tremblay is interesting. I can't psych him out completely, but his derisive tone at times makes me wonder what it is that he fears, or if this is just Randian Objectivist bravado. I read Ayn Rand, and admire bits and pieces of her work, but Objectivism is a philosophical project that disconnects from science (especially biology of primates) and derails pretty early I think. Man qua man, as they like to say, is not an individualist. He is a loosely tribal creature with a fluid dominance hierarchy (less fluid in Objectivists, it seems, because the majority of them seem to worship Rand). I yanked his chain a time or two (for experimental purposes only, I assure you) and was underwhelmed.

 
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